Talk:First Kurz government

State secretaries are missing

There are also 2 State secretaries, one for the ÖVP and one for the FPÖ:

• Karoline Edtstadler (State Secretary, Federal Ministry of the Interior)
• Hubert Fuchs (State Secretary, Federal Ministry of Finance)

Source: https://www.federal-chancellery.gv.at/ministers-and-state-secretaries

In the Kern and Faymann cabinets, they are also included in the list. So please add them as well.

--The Pollster (talk) 19:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

This article has several factual problems

This article has several discrepancies with the German WP article. For example, each cabinet minister is shown on the German article as having their own department, while this one shows Hofer and Schramböck sharing the Federal Ministry for Transport, Innovation and Technology. Not only does the German article show them as having separate departments, but the ministry's own website confirms that Hofer controls the entire ministry while Schramböck has her own ministry.

Also, Josef Moser, Hartwig Löger, Heinz Faßmann, and Margarete Schramböck are all independents who were nominated by the ÖVP -- they should be shaded as independents just like Karin Kneissl, who is an independent nominated by the FPÖ. However, this article shows them as party members, which is not the case.

Also, comparing this article with the German WP article, the names of several of the departments (such as Josef Moser's department) are different. This should also be fixed. Since I am not very knowledgeable about Austria's executive branch, I don't want to mess with this myself, but I would appreciate it if someone else would fix these errors. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@K1812: Thanks for fixing the article. With the template we're using in this article to show the ministers, is there a way to show which party nominated the independents so readers have some context? --1990'sguy (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there's a way to do so with the template in its current state (unless you want to create party metadata templates specifically for this article), but it isn't difficult to simply format it as a normal wikitable instead so the color templates/party text isn't dependent on the template parameters. Mélencron (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

OK. I personally recommend changing the template in order to show who nominated the independents, but I will let other editors make that decision. --1990'sguy (talk) 02:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea how that could be done. --K1812 (talk) 10:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

State secretaries

The table of government members currently includes the state secretaries, who are not actually government members. (The government consists of the chancellor, the vice-chancellor, and the ministers. This enumeration is taxative and the difference matters.) I changed the heading to clarify that the table is giving a false impression, but I don't think this is that great a solution. Ideally, the state secretaries should be in a separate table, but that would lead to a certain amount of duplication of content since two of the ministries would have to be listed twice. Is there any way we can sidestep this through clever rephrasing? Any suggestions? Damvile (talk) 01:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Separate table would be overkill. Even the parliament web shite puts state secretaries in the same table as the actual members of government (in those cases where it bothers to mention them at all) and they're very scrupulous about almost everything else. Just add a brief disclaimer to the body text.

The only real problem with this table is that it's too wide to render properly on most screens. I'm on 1600px horizontally and I'm getting fugly random line breaks everywhere. I went ahead and removed two columns:

1. "State secretaries": These each have a table row of their own now.
2. "Assumed office": Some of the values in the table were wrong and the correct values would be misleading. Margarete Schramböck for example joined the government on December 17, 2018 but did not "assume office" as Minister of Digital and Economic Affairs that day because the office didn't exist yet. She was Minister of Science, Research and Economy at first. She "assumed office" on January 8, 2018, but if we put this date in the table we make it look like there was a personnel reshuffle, as opposed to the routine portfolio reshuffle that actually happened. Until we have body text that contextualizes these things they are probably best left out.

(It it was up to me, I'd also lose the mugshots. What's the point? How many other countries do this? A list of sixteen people shouldn't be three screens tall on a 17" laptop. This is design wank, not usability.) Kramler (talk) 21:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I moved the chancellery ministers to the ministers subtable because that's what they are. I already pointed this out a week ago. I renamed the chancellery section from "Chancellery" to "Heads" so the move doesn't falsely suggest that the chancellery ministers are not in the chancellery. Strache does need to be listed twice in either the old or the new version. Damvile (talk) 23:26, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Defunct

Hi

@Colonestarrice: The cabinet is defunct since 28 May 2019. See here too. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Colonestarrice: thank you. I think now it is not a good idea to have an article "Löger interim government. I think we should have a new section in the article about the caretaker cabinet and add another infobox. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: I would wait until Bierlein is sworn in. Because I'm not quite sure if parliament and the chancellery will still portray Löger's interim cabinet as a fully separate one, once that of Bierlein takes office. Colonestarrice (talk) 07:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Colonestarrice:But Hartwig Löger is Interim, not acting according to the Constitution. Interim federal cabinet (art.71). --Panam2014 (talk) 13:03, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I can't find the word interim anywhere in article 71. Anyway, we use common names and common translations on the English Wikipedia – that is why "Bundespräsident der Republik Österreich" translates to "President of Austria" and not "Federal President of the Republic of Austria" for example. Colonestarrice (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Colonestarrice: what should we do now? German WP have created a new article about Löger, I thint it is not a good idea. We should talk about Löger cabinet in this article. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Having a Löger cabinet section in this article would be confusing, disjointed and generally opposed to universal standards. So if you desire to have Löger's interim cabinet recorded than please create an independent article about it. Colonestarrice (talk) 11:16, 4 June 2019 (UTC)